Archie's Mum
Always digging up clues
I got it wrong...it was Hodge, the murderer who was hanged, whose wife was sister-in-law to the Marquess of Exeter. Shoulda read it thoroughly. Back to the drawing board 
Who is Mary ?
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Archie's Mum
Always digging up clues
This whole thread has got me hook, line and sinker. It is really one of the most interesting I have come across. Apart from my own 'lady murderer'.
There is so much on line (except what we want) about the Pickerings and the slaves in the Carribean. Can't get away from the screen to watch WDYTYA with Rob Lowe. Easy for him to find all he wants to know 
There is so much on line (except what we want) about the Pickerings and the slaves in the Carribean. Can't get away from the screen
to watch WDYTYA with Rob Lowe. Easy for him to find all he wants to know 
AnnB
Editor in Chief who is Hot off the Press!
Don't know if anyone has come across this site yet and it may not be of much interest -
http://
milfieldgreys.co.uk/7_jock_ivar/jock_sibs/chris_dixon_johnson.html
but the portrait of Richard Hetherington appears.....I haven't looked at the whole thing in any detail, so don't know if there is anything of interest, but it is all tied up with the Grey family of Milfield Hill.
Ann
http://
milfieldgreys.co.uk/7_jock_ivar/jock_sibs/chris_dixon_johnson.html
but the portrait of Richard Hetherington appears.....I haven't looked at the whole thing in any detail, so don't know if there is anything of interest, but it is all tied up with the Grey family of Milfield Hill.
Ann
Huncamunca
The Knowledgeable One
I tried following up the claim on the tree there that Richard's daughter Mary was baptised 10 October 1777 at Durham Cathedral, in the hope of enlightenment about where the older children were born.
Eventually I found a printed transcript of Durham Cathedral registers on the Internet Archive. There is no sign of a baptism of Mary Hetherington there. I think the confusion comes from a later reference to her in the same book. Her husband, Francis Johnson, was buried at the Cathedral in 1838; a footnote on that page gives some biographical information about him and his wife, who is described as 'second dau. of the Hon. Richard Hetherington, President of the Virgin Island, West Indies, and of the Hill at Burton in Lonsdale, co. York. She was born 10 Oct. 1777; died 5 and was buried at the Cathedral 11 April 1851 [MS. Ped. by E.A.W.]'
So we are none the wiser as to where she was born.
Mary's burial (in fact recorded as Mary Ann, but a footnote says 'her name was not Ann, and she was married as Mary only') appears on the next page, on 11 April.
From the Preface to the book (published in 1897 by the Harleian Society), 'MS. Ped. by E.A.W.' must refer to a pedigree compiled by Edward Arthur White, who had originally transcribed the registers.
Huncamunca
The Knowledgeable One
This statement was perhaps written by someone reading his entry in Burke's 'General Armory' (1864), which calls him 'RICHARD HETHERINGTON, Esq., Governor of Tortola, and of Burton, in Lune Vale'
Though that could easily be read as him being Governor of Burton, I suspect it probably just means he was of Burton [in the Lune Valley], as well as being of Tortola.
Archie's Mum
Always digging up clues
Wasn't he a piece of work?. Glad he was hung! Or is that hanged. Whichever. Just happy he won't be doing that again.
Joanne
Well-Known Member
During Hodge's trial Richard H read the following to the court
"the law makes no distinction between master and servant. God sreated white and he created black creatures; and as God makes no distinction in administering justice and to him each is alike, you will nnot,nor can alter your verdict,if murder has been proved - whether on white persons or black persons,the crime is equally the same with God and the law"
"the law makes no distinction between master and servant. God sreated white and he created black creatures; and as God makes no distinction in administering justice and to him each is alike, you will nnot,nor can alter your verdict,if murder has been proved - whether on white persons or black persons,the crime is equally the same with God and the law"
Archie's Mum
Always digging up clues
I have read about the abuse on the slave, Prosper and after Hodge's sentencing he is heard to say that 'the country thirsts for my blood'.
I wonder how many there were before Prosper! Not only by Hodge. Only God would know.
I wonder how many there were before Prosper! Not only by Hodge. Only God would know.
Archie's Mum
Always digging up clues
This probably means absolutely nought but........
rumbutter.info/gen-pm-edenhall-d-1817-a
Cash balance of Account
9 pounds-15 shillings-4.5 pence
January 13 1817
Place to Sir Phillip Musgrave's account(above amount) paid Richard Hetherington being the balance due to him sundry accounts as per his book
signed L S Dixon.
Eden Hall was the family home of the Musgraves in Cumbria
Archie's Mum
Always digging up clues
There are three Mary Musgrave's of the right age born in the area on Family Search. Father's are John 1740, Philip 1748, and James 1749. Philip might the one connected to Eden Hall but the others maybe also.
Huncamunca
The Knowledgeable One
The Richard & Mary who married at Stapleton were both described as of Crakethorp in the parish of Stapleton in the marriage licence bond (#17).
I can't spot this on the very useful 1851 England Jurisdictions map on FamilySearch. Stapleton was a very big parish containing many little hamlets and farms. The nearest I can see is one called Cracrop: could that be it?
Richard & Mary possibly were still in Stapleton in 1780 (see post #23), by which time Joanne's Richard & Mary were having children baptised in Thornton in Lonsdale. The Stapleton info is only from an index entry on FamilySearch though: perhaps the original parish register would have more information that would help you decide whether they could be your Richard & Mary.
Edited to add:
Ah yes, the Historical Gazetteer of England's Place-Names gives many different variations of the name Cracrop, including Crakethorp and Crackthropp.
http://
placenames.org.uk/browse/mads/epns-deep-20-c-mappedname-000699
I can't spot this on the very useful 1851 England Jurisdictions map on FamilySearch. Stapleton was a very big parish containing many little hamlets and farms. The nearest I can see is one called Cracrop: could that be it?
Richard & Mary possibly were still in Stapleton in 1780 (see post #23), by which time Joanne's Richard & Mary were having children baptised in Thornton in Lonsdale. The Stapleton info is only from an index entry on FamilySearch though: perhaps the original parish register would have more information that would help you decide whether they could be your Richard & Mary.
Edited to add:
Ah yes, the Historical Gazetteer of England's Place-Names gives many different variations of the name Cracrop, including Crakethorp and Crackthropp.
http://
placenames.org.uk/browse/mads/epns-deep-20-c-mappedname-000699
Archie's Mum
Always digging up clues
Also found when browsing around was Mary Pickering (Family Search) 22/11/1743.(I found all this last week but put it aside as other things got in the way and I had forgotten).
Society of Friends M.M. Whitby York. father Nathan Pickering mother Jael Pickering.
Other browsing found that Nathan Pickering a Master Mariner and Jael Ward married 6/2/1741 in Staintondale Whitby.
Nathan was born in 1713, Whitby. They had 6 children. Mary 1743, Grace 1741, Jael 1746, Lydia 1750 William 1753, John 1756.
Jael Ward was the daughter of John Ward and Mary Richardson.
I have to find where I found all this but also in the stuff found above was the mention of New Malton, Yorkshire. When I looked up New Malton I found a place nearby by the name of Norton
Incidentally, not at all connected but my gggrandfather Thomas Carlill from Whitby named his house in Mosman, Sydney, Malton after the village of Malton in Yorkshire.
I believe somewhere along the way I have read that it was thought that Mary Pickering was maybe a 'Yorkshire Lass'
Society of Friends M.M. Whitby York. father Nathan Pickering mother Jael Pickering.
Other browsing found that Nathan Pickering a Master Mariner and Jael Ward married 6/2/1741 in Staintondale Whitby.
Nathan was born in 1713, Whitby. They had 6 children. Mary 1743, Grace 1741, Jael 1746, Lydia 1750 William 1753, John 1756.
Jael Ward was the daughter of John Ward and Mary Richardson.
I have to find where I found all this but also in the stuff found above was the mention of New Malton, Yorkshire. When I looked up New Malton I found a place nearby by the name of Norton
Incidentally, not at all connected but my gggrandfather Thomas Carlill from Whitby named his house in Mosman, Sydney, Malton after the village of Malton in Yorkshire.
I believe somewhere along the way I have read that it was thought that Mary Pickering was maybe a 'Yorkshire Lass'
Huncamunca
The Knowledgeable One
It's hard to know where to begin looking for Mary when we're not even sure of her surname. It's interesting that you've found Quaker Pickerings in England though, Archie's Mum, as some of the Pickerings in the Caribbean were Quakers too, as Grizel mentioned above somewhere.
I have gone back to the Hetheringtons in case we can pin down where Richard might have been as a young man. Had his parents moved to Burton? There's a reference here to a 1779 will for a William Hetherington of Burton in Lonsdale, held at Lancashire Archives. If he's a relation it might be worth getting hold of a copy to see if the will fills in any gaps in the family tree.
There's also a mention here of a William Hetherington of Burton in Lonsdale whose name appears in a monumental inscription in Tunstall, Lancashire:
http://www.
lancasterfamilyhistory.org.uk/files/tunstallstjohn.htm
Unfortunately the images aren't available yet, but he's possibly mentioned on the same memorial as Ann and Agnes Hetherington, to judge from the image numbers. Richard Hetherington of Tortola is also on the list - probably on the same memorial as Charles Robinson (H.M.Customs, Demerara) and Elizabeth Robinson née Hetherington (Richard's son-in-law and daughter?).
It's interesting that you've found Quaker Pickerings in England though, Archie's Mum, as some of the Pickerings in the Caribbean were Quakers too, as Grizel mentioned above somewhere.I have gone back to the Hetheringtons in case we can pin down where Richard might have been as a young man. Had his parents moved to Burton? There's a reference here to a 1779 will for a William Hetherington of Burton in Lonsdale, held at Lancashire Archives. If he's a relation it might be worth getting hold of a copy to see if the will fills in any gaps in the family tree.
There's also a mention here of a William Hetherington of Burton in Lonsdale whose name appears in a monumental inscription in Tunstall, Lancashire:
http://www.
lancasterfamilyhistory.org.uk/files/tunstallstjohn.htm
Unfortunately the images aren't available yet, but he's possibly mentioned on the same memorial as Ann and Agnes Hetherington, to judge from the image numbers. Richard Hetherington of Tortola is also on the list - probably on the same memorial as Charles Robinson (H.M.Customs, Demerara) and Elizabeth Robinson née Hetherington (Richard's son-in-law and daughter?).
Huncamunca
The Knowledgeable One
Just another thought, Joanne . . . it might be worth requesting a search in the Joiner Marriage Index for a Richard Hetherington marrying Mary ??? at whatever the critical dates are. Paul Joiner found a very elusive marriage for me a few years back. His charges are very reasonable:
http://
joinermarriageindex.co.uk/
http://
joinermarriageindex.co.uk/