Can anyone find the family connection?

That's him AM. The following is one of the emails I received from the lady in the USA. It took some finding. We have built up so many we have had to start 6 new email conversations. There are 155 emails all together.

James Hardwick Davies, born in May 1848 in Wormbridge, Herefordshire, England. By 1871, James is not with the family. There is a James Davies who sailed from Liverpool and arrived in Melbourne, Australia in July 1870, age 21. James settled in Australia and died there in 1919 at the age of 70 and unmarried. He lived in Wilcannia, NSW, in 1903 as a laborer, and in 1913, he was still there and his occupation was “drover”, which means a stockman. When his father died in 1895, an ad was placed in the newspaper:
 
A coroners report for Davies, James Hardwick 349-1919 South Australia. No details just names and numbers on a pdf. It includes details of patients at Parkside and Adelaide Asylum. Again just names, dates and numbers. His being 6th October 1919. Also includes persons dying in house fires. Sorry..
 
His death was registered at Norwood. I think, not sure that I saw a Charity Home there for the destitute. Wendy would know! If so, how sad.
 
Reverend Edward Lutwyche Davies 1804-1895

2nd son of James and Catherine of Hay-on-Wye, Herefordshire (so James would be a brother to Mary Ann's father. Who the blue blazes was her father.


1. where was Mary Ann Davies born ?

2. Who was Mary Ann's father ?

3. Who was their common grandfather ?

Just to be Devil's advocate, how do you know that James would be a brother to Mary Ann's father? If Mary Anne was illegitimate he would be brother to her mother. Also, they could have been 2nd cousins or cousins once removed. Just saying as I'm going dizzy with looking :D:confused::headbang:
 
Chimp said:
Reverend Edward Lutwyche Davies 1804-1895

2nd son of James and Catherine of Hay-on-Wye, Herefordshire (so James would be a brother to Mary Ann's father. Who the blue blazes was her father.

Married Ann Hardwick in Wormbridge, Herefordshire on 5th December 1843.
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The date of the marriage is right but they were married in St John's Paddington in London. His father is down as James Davies, Gentleman. [Source: Ancestry London Marriages].

One of the witnesses is Charles Gwillim Jones.

What's interesting is the list of names mentioned in a court case Collins v Squance in 1843 (read through all the names and get a nice surprise at the end).

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7923546

There is a similar case in 1845 called Chuck v Appleton. This one is quite confusing as Edward Lutwyche Davies and his wife Ann seem to be listed as both Plaintiffs and Defendants!

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7927240

I can't work out what these cases are all about - Chancery cases? If they're about property they might have family histories in them (although that's only a long-shot guess).
 
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I can't work out what these cases are all about - Chancery cases? If they're about property they might have family histories in them (although that's only a long-shot guess).
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TNA's description of class C14 (to which these belong) includes the following:
The records cover a wide variety of matters, particularly in respect of disputes about wills and the administration of estates, but also with many commercial and land disputes. There are also a number of cases arising from the Joint Stock Companies Act of 1844.

A useful tip when trying to identify subjects of causes is to search in The Times, as many Chancery causes were reported there.
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The full description is at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/browse/r/r/C3577

So yes, they are Chancery cases, but it seems like it's almost impossible to work out from the catalogue what each one is about.
 
Flook said:
What's interesting is the list of names mentioned in a court case Collins v Squance in 1843 (read through all the names and get a nice surprise at the end).
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It seems that the case started in 1843, it must have rumbled on a bit as others were added, including :-

Supplement bill filed 1846. Defendant: Edward Breeze Davies.
Supplement bill filed 1848. Defendant: James Hardwick Davies

I see this bit seems to be wrong:-

Revd Edward Lutwyche Davies, Catherine Margaret Ann Davies his wife.

His wife was just plain Ann, Catherine Margaret Ann Davies was his daughter.
 
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Chimp said:
We suspect they were the couple who married in Clyro on 13th September 1790.

There is a marriage James Davies and Catherine Beavan.
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There is a bap for Catherine Beavan 10/8/1765 in Clyro parents James and Elizabeth.
The only marriage I could find was James Bevans to Elizabeth Lloyd in Ewyas Harold (which looks to be some way from Hay) and no Lutwyche either:(
 
Chimp said:
:D yep

Mary Ann Breeze had a sister on her will named Bridget Burgen. We think she was the wife of Thomas Burgen. Don't and can't find a marriage for them either.
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Woop's got her sisters name wrong. It was Bridget Budgen.

She can be found with her husband Thomas in the:-

1851 - HO107, Piece number 1639, Folio 586, Page 21
Frant Green, Frant, Ticehurst, Sussex

1861 - RG09, Parish number 573, Enumeration district 12, Page number 17
Gloryford House, Frant Green, Frant, Ticehurst, Sussex
 
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Bridget Budgen is mentioned in the will Sis and I were trying to figure out the other day. Bridget has a sister Sarah
Oops. Should read quotes.....sorry
 
No, the one for George James.

You said he had sisters named Bridget Budgen and Sarah.

That is really strange. How can She be a sister to George James and Mary Ann Breeze (nee Davies)

George James of the Will, was buried in the same grave as Mary Ann and her husband Edward Breeze.

My head hurts now :eek:
 
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