Help with handwriting please

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  1. Bay Horse

    Bay Horse Can be a bit of a dark horse

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    Hope you're ok, WRL.

    Just coming in late on this one - read 'Walsall Wharf' on the placename and considered the capital M on the occupation as Master, as in Blacksmith, before deciding on '...Maker' given the type of industries around that area.

    I think the first letter of the occupation is an 'S' (see 'Screw Filer' a few pages back - the formation of the letter is identical.

    Ours are all puddlers and brewers from around there - we have no excuse either. :)
     
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    Bay Horse Can be a bit of a dark horse

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    I keep coming back to 'rivet maker' but am not convinced. :(

    Can't make that first letter into an 'R' no matter how hard I try.
     
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    WelchRegLost Well-Known Member

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    Just come across this site which has an abstract of the occupation in the 1841 census, the abstract was created in 1844
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     https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/census/table/GB1841OCC_M[1]?u_id=10090283&show=DB&min_c=1&max_c=4 
    Still can't see anything that William was making
     
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    WelchRegLost Well-Known Member

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    A couple of hours at Wolves Archives revealed that there were 12 Wharves along Walsall Street most of which were not named on any maps from the time. The surname of the boat builder in a number of Trade directories from that time is Worrall so I think it is most likely that the enumerator used this surname to distinguish this Wharf from the others.
     
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    There are a few examples of 'S' in this extract too, which aren't very different.

    If it is an 'S', then maybe AnnB was right all along and it's "Servt M" (with a superscript 't'). But it's an unusual way of referring to a servant in 1841 - well, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it :p
     
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    WelchRegLost Well-Known Member

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    Same enumerator a few pages earlier Capture2.JPG
     
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    Nice find, WRL - I think that more or less proves it.
     
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    WelchRegLost Well-Known Member

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    Think so to, this enumerator seems to be very haphazard with his use of abbreviations etc.
     
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    AnnB Editor in Chief who is Hot off the Press!

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    There are several references in the papers to ‘Mr Worrall’s Wharf in Walsall Street, Wolverhampton’, so it was commonly known by that name :)
     
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    WelchRegLost Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for that
     
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    WelchRegLost Well-Known Member

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    Interesting (to me) that 3 of them appear to be legal notices in a three week period in March 1849 which is the last year I could find him in any of the trade directories.

    As I don't have a sub to newspapers I feel another visit to the archives tomorrow may well be worth while
     
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    WelchRegLost Well-Known Member

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    Thanks to @AnnB pointing me in the direction of the newspapers for Mr Worrall's wharf, I have learnt something new today namely what a

    COPYHOLD MESSUAGE

    is

    a tenure of land with a dwelling house with land and outbuildings granted in manorial records
     
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    I actually knew that. Which is remarkable, as I don't know very much. :D
     
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    WelchRegLost Well-Known Member

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    First time I had ever seen the phrase
     
  15. AnnB

    AnnB Editor in Chief who is Hot off the Press!

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    i knew it too, thanks to transcribing old documents in the past. I think it’s amazing how much you learn along the way - my biggest problem is actually remembering what I’ve learnt.....:reading:
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Could it be 'cheroot' maker?
     
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    WelchRegLost Well-Known Member

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    Mr Worrell, must of been well known as 5 folio's before the first image i posted there is this, which is also on Walsall Street

    Capture3.JPG
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    In which case, you might find this website to be of interest - give a bit of background. :)

    Code:
    http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/genealogy/Worrall/WorrallFamily.htm
    (A slight diversion from the original query, but still connected. ;) )
     
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    Thank you
     
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    WelchRegLost Well-Known Member

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    In an even more strange way. My father's sister worked for John Worall and Son's for all of her working life after ww11. The connection with the name never came to me until reading that site. so thank you again.
     
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