I admit defeat - HELP!

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  1. kernowmaid

    kernowmaid Well-Known Member

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    I've been stuck on this since last August, and it's stopped my research.
    A whole new family "branch" that I didn't know existed - and it's led me to a "cousin" in Australia born EXACTLY the same date as me. (Of course, he must be older than me - the day arrives earlier in Oz than the UK ;))

    Alice Minnow (known as Minnie) GILROY was born Northallerton, Q4 1850.
    Baptised 28 Dec 1850. With her parents in 1851 & 1861 (RG9/3662/69/5).

    21 Dec 1874, Minnie's on a boat ("Whampoa") from London with husband Samuel MASON, arriving Melbourne Feb 1875. They weren't really married, and I think they were "sussing out" life in Australia. I've not found their return trip.

    Aug 1879, Minnie & Sam arrive in Melbourne again (from London) - on the "John Elder", accompanied by their 1-yr old son George, Minnie's parents (George & Margaret GILROY) ... and 3 more sons: WILLIAM (9y 1869?), THOMAS (7y 1871?) & JOHN (4y 1873?) - ALL born in NEW YORK, USA.

    The family stayed in Australia. Sam & Minnie married in 1892, and died in 1911 & 1907 respectively.

    My new "cousin" is descended from THOMAS - but has no clue what happened in the USA. The family rumour is that Sam (MASON) married a Mary Ann (known as Polly) HAWKINS in the USA and fled New York with his 3 boys and the female housekeeper.

    Can anyone find any of them in 1871?
    Minnie would have been 20/21y. Did she go to the USA? Was she a housekeeper?

    Can anyone find any reference to the births of the 3 MASON boys in New York?
    What happened to their mother?
    Did Sam MASON marry Mary Ann HAWKINS c1868?

    And if Sam brought his sons back to England from the USA, sometime between 1873 & 1874 (John would be just a baby!) - can anyone find that crossing?

    I think that Sam was born in Leeds, c1831/1832, to fishmonger William MASON.

    All help & hints gratefully accepted!

    Jane
     
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    Well..... I have spent an hour looking and no luck. Must get back to work now, Sorry :(
    I must say I like your comment about your cousin being the elder of the two of you :D
     
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    GrannyBarb Custodian of the Family Accounts

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    No luck so far on 1870 U.S. Census - even with very broad search terms. Will have another go after my to-do's are to-done. ;)
     
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    Thank you ladies (I would say "girls", but don't want it taken the wrong way!).
    I've got all my fingers & toes crossed ... makes it difficult to type:eek:

    Jane
     
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    Jane.. West Yorkshire Non Conformist records have George Mason baptised May 19 1878 DOB April ?? 1878. parents Samuel and Minnie..Samuel is a machinist. There is a tree that says his birth is registered as George Mason Gilroy . Vol 9b pg 518 Leeds
     
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    Sis Rootles out resources!

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    Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
    GILROY, GEORGE MASON -
    GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in LEEDS Volume 09B Page 518
     
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    I found one Mary Ann (Polly) Hawkins in the States.... she was born in 1814.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Mmmmm..in 1940 there is a death of a William Joseph Mason. Father Samuel mother Mary Ann Unknown. Victoria BDM. The only William there with father Samuel
     
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    In 1871 a Minni Gilroy is boarding with Ann Patton in Bishop Wearmouth, birth year is 1842 and she is a dressmaker. GBC/1871/4996/0037, birthplace Northallerton
     
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    Yep, that's the child of my Minnie, born 24 April 1878 (according to my new cousin - I think he's got the cert).
    George is the unnamed one-year old on the manifest of the "John Elder" that arrived in Melbourne in 1879.

    In 1908, one year after Minnie's death, George visited England with his wife (& father Sam), looking for his mother's "inheritance".
    He died in 1949 - Victoria, Australia.
     
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    Alice M Mason 490/1907 Balmain South father George mother Margaret
     
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    Can you point me in her direction please Sue?
    1814 makes her 20+ years older than Sam (born 1837) ... but love knows no boundaries, eh? ;)
    I'm still grasping at any straw ...

    Jane
     
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    Yep, I think that's our William - a machinist like his Dad, married Rosalie, died Nov 1940.

    And I think our Thomas married an Annie or Emma (Vassie/Andrews) and died in Oct 1923. (Source: findagrave & :nailbiting:gulp an Ancestry tree).

    No sight of John.

    Jane
     
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    Ooh Sue, thank you!
    That looks VERY likely!
    So maybe Minnie's not the scarlet housekeeper ...
    Maybe Sam's mystery wife died in the USA, Sam brought the boys back to England, met Minnie ...

    Here I go again, making up stories, wanting a happy ending :oops:

    Jane
     
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    6-1907 Minnie MASON.jpg

    I have this Memorial Card - but can you point me to the official document? Please?

    Jane
     
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    NSW Births Deaths and Marriages.
    Do you want the certificate?
    If so let me know and I will steer you to a cheaper option.
     
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    John Mason 19595/1940 father Samuel mother Mary Ann. Kingsford NSW
     
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    Thanks Sue, but no - I don't think the cert will help me here. (I've now found the link on Ancestry, but the site is playing me up so I'll wait 'til it settles down)

    Jane
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    I found her death today- probably on 'Trove', but thought you had all of that. Now here is Findagrave details. must get in before the renewal begins.
    Name: Alice Minnie Mason
    Birth Date: 1851
    Death Date: Jan 1907
    Cemetery: Field of Mars Cemetery
    Burial or Cremation Place:East Ryde, Ryde City, New South Wales, Australia
    Has Bio?: N
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    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/123677779
    Gravesite Details Age: 56

    Samuel Mason
    BIRTH 1831
    DEATH Jun 1911 (aged 79–80)
    BURIAL
    Field of Mars Cemetery
    East Ryde, Ryde City, New South Wales, Australia
    PLOT Portion: Mth Section: Sec 4 Plot: 611
    MEMORIAL ID 123677895 · View Source
    Gravesite Details Age: 80
    .....Scroll down on the East Ryde site to find Samuel

    No sorry it wasn't she on Trove but another lady I was looking at.
     
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