I admit defeat - HELP!

Discussion in 'Ask The Experts' started by kernowmaid, Feb 6, 2019.

  1. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

    Offline
    Messages:
    6,062
    Likes Received:
    15,427
    Location:
    South Australia
    Found this on my way out. via Ancestry -Sydney Morning Herald Tues. 8 1907
    1907 Funeral notice -Mason.JPG
     
    kernowmaid and Sis like this.
  2. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

    Offline
    Messages:
    6,062
    Likes Received:
    15,427
    Location:
    South Australia
    Then I found this, sadly important names are smudged.
    Samuel Mason in memorium.JPG


    The Age, Melbourne -June 10 1912
     
    kernowmaid and Sis like this.
  3. Archie's Mum

    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

    Offline
    Messages:
    6,922
    Likes Received:
    25,400
    Location:
    Orange, NSW Australia. The Colour City.
    I looked for those on Trove and couldn’t find them :(
    I can read George.
     
  4. Archie's Mum

    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

    Offline
    Messages:
    6,922
    Likes Received:
    25,400
    Location:
    Orange, NSW Australia. The Colour City.
    Ah. Field of Mars. Must go look.
    Yep. Buried together.
     
  5. kernowmaid

    kernowmaid Well-Known Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    445
    Likes Received:
    1,776
    Location:
    St Austell, Cornwall
    Thanks Sue & Wendy. I have the info on Minnie & Sam - it's Sam's "mystery children" & first wife that have me stumped - so I think the answer lies in the good ol' USA.
    Why is the USA so difficult to search?
    Especially as that's the home country of Ancestry ...
    :mad:

    Jane
     
    GrannyBarb likes this.
  6. GrannyBarb

    GrannyBarb Custodian of the Family Accounts

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,187
    Likes Received:
    5,527
    Location:
    Lower Alabama, USA
    Do we have anything more specific on "mystery children" than b. New York and year? NYC has 5 boroughs. Then there are lots of counties and towns big and small in the rest of the state. FS has unindexed record images, but I'm hesitant to wade through them for each county. :reading:

    No luck in the 1875 State census - at least, not as indexed.

    Will do some more later as time permits.
     
  7. Half Hour

    Half Hour Well-Known Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,072
    Likes Received:
    7,035
    Location:
    Owen Sound, Ontario
    I really question this one... she was born in Georgia or Tennessee... She seemed to have several "husbands" so I don't think she ever married.When she married in 1839 she already had one child named Edward Sanford Hawkins... she had several others to different men over the years .Its on a tree on Ancestry...I searched her with Mary Ann Polly Hawkins Tree owner is Stewart James ..I'll message you
     
  8. kernowmaid

    kernowmaid Well-Known Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    445
    Likes Received:
    1,776
    Location:
    St Austell, Cornwall
    The children first appearance in "my" records is on board the "John Elder", 15 July 1879, emigrating with the family from London to Melbourne:
    1879 Mason & Gilroy.JPG

    But I don't think they'll appear in an 1875 US census - Sam & Minnie sailed (London-Melbourne) 21 December 1874 on their exploratory trip.
    Was there an 1871 US Census?

    How do I search for Deaths in New York, c1871-1874? I've got a feeling that Mary Ann "Polly" died - perhaps in childbirth. There's a niggle in my head that tells me I've seen there were 4 male children, one of whom was dead ... but where did I see it?? :headbang:

    Thank you for taking the time to look - and of course, I've timed it to coincide with Jan's message about the system change :(. SORRY!

    Jane
     
    Ma-dotcom and GrannyBarb like this.
  9. GrannyBarb

    GrannyBarb Custodian of the Family Accounts

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,187
    Likes Received:
    5,527
    Location:
    Lower Alabama, USA
    In the US, the census years end in zero, starting in 1790. The first one with every person in each household named is 1850. Some states held census in years ending in five, so that's why I looked at 1875. Vitals are usually held by counties or towns, with church records very hit and miss. Where the Masons Anglicans per chance? Or do we know?

    I have a few places to check, but may get caught by the server outage. If so, we'll see you Friday. ;)
     
    kernowmaid and Ma-dotcom like this.
  10. Half Hour

    Half Hour Well-Known Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,072
    Likes Received:
    7,035
    Location:
    Owen Sound, Ontario
    Barb.. the baptism in Yorkshire says they were non-conformists.
     
    kernowmaid, Ma-dotcom and GrannyBarb like this.
  11. Archie's Mum

    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

    Offline
    Messages:
    6,922
    Likes Received:
    25,400
    Location:
    Orange, NSW Australia. The Colour City.
    Sam and Alice were Buried Methodist.
     
    kernowmaid, Ma-dotcom and GrannyBarb like this.
  12. GrannyBarb

    GrannyBarb Custodian of the Family Accounts

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,187
    Likes Received:
    5,527
    Location:
    Lower Alabama, USA
    After a pretty thorough search of my go-to New York sites, I didn't see any records that fit. A few looked promising, but the dates don't work.
    I will see if I can find any Methodist church records in the right time frame.
    Fingers crossed - but don't hold your breath. :eek: :confused: :ghost:
     
    kernowmaid and Ma-dotcom like this.
  13. GrannyBarb

    GrannyBarb Custodian of the Family Accounts

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,187
    Likes Received:
    5,527
    Location:
    Lower Alabama, USA
    The only possible Methodist records are held on A..., to which I don't have a sub at the moment, and would require a trip to the library, which won't happen this week, at least.

    Code:
    http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=9188
    Here's the FS research wiki page for New York:
    Code:
    https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/New_York,_United_States_Genealogy
     
    kernowmaid likes this.
  14. kernowmaid

    kernowmaid Well-Known Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    445
    Likes Received:
    1,776
    Location:
    St Austell, Cornwall
    Found it!
    I do love Australian Death Certs - so much information! (Although its accuracy depends on the Informant's knowledge - George has got his father's age wrong for the 2nd marriage)
    But he believes that there was a 4th child born in New York.
    And that father first married age 35y.
    Samuel Mason Death Certificate-page-001.jpg
    (This was sent to me by my new-found "twin" in Australia)

    Jane
     
    Ma-dotcom and GrannyBarb like this.
  15. GrannyBarb

    GrannyBarb Custodian of the Family Accounts

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,187
    Likes Received:
    5,527
    Location:
    Lower Alabama, USA
    Would put the marriage to Polly Hawkins about 1868 then? Anyone here have a sub to A that covers those Methodist records from NY in #33 above?
     
  16. kernowmaid

    kernowmaid Well-Known Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    445
    Likes Received:
    1,776
    Location:
    St Austell, Cornwall
    I've tried Mason/Hawkins/Polly/Mary A/Samuel - 1868 +/- 2yrs.
    ZILCH - NADA - NOWT.

    Either they didn't marry, or it wasn't New York. (Although I'm not sure that they would necessarily be Methodist - it was Minnie's family (GILROY) that were the Wesleyans. Don't know about Sam's (MASON).

    Jane
     
  17. Grizel

    Grizel Well-Known Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    542
    Likes Received:
    982
    Location:
    UK
    If I have the right Sam he was baptised 1837 at St Peters Leeds to William and Hannah. So C of E I guess.
    Do you have details of William and Hannah already? Or I can post what have found. Also this Samuel's birth is after start of civil registration.
     
  18. Half Hour

    Half Hour Well-Known Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,072
    Likes Received:
    7,035
    Location:
    Owen Sound, Ontario
    Does Samuel have a middle initial? i found a Samuel G Mason marrying a Charity P. Daniel April 21 1865, but it doesn't give much more information.:( Nothing else in the Methodist records... The records do show membership to the church so I looked for Minnie and never found her either! I do think if he married Polly it would have been somewhere other than New York as she seemed to stay further South.
     
  19. Archie's Mum

    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

    Offline
    Messages:
    6,922
    Likes Received:
    25,400
    Location:
    Orange, NSW Australia. The Colour City.
    Family Search
    1870 census Michigan
    GS 00055217Digital fold 004271428
    Image 00734
    Samuel G Mason age 37 born England
    Mary Ann Mason age 35 born New York
    Ida 14 Michigan
    Clara 10
    Agnes 7
    Lizzie 6
    Esther 4
    Charles 2
    Now, just supposing that Charles’s is the diseased male and Mary Ann and Samuel were not really married or maybe they were but all the other kids were hers from a previous marriage/partnership but took his surname while they were together.
    Charles died and then they split up or she died....just saying
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2019
  20. Half Hour

    Half Hour Well-Known Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    1,072
    Likes Received:
    7,035
    Location:
    Owen Sound, Ontario
    Also.. If Samuel married Polly in 1868 she would have been 52 years old......Something does not add up.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice