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Have found on Irish Genealogy a baptism record for Elizabeth KEMP dated 30 April 1858 Dublin RC St Mary Pro Cathederal = Father Robert Kemp and mother Elizabeth Mc Vicker - 156 Townsend St North Dublin with an Anna Howard as sponser.
From my Scottish side from Edinburgh I have many Roberts in my past family as well as children with Mc Vicker (Mc Vicer) , Anna and Howard in their names and have records to show many were in Dublin Ireland during the 1856 to 1865 period ( Robert Kemp and Janet Mercer who gave birth to Anna Kemp in 1862 and RobertHenry Rutzou Kemp who was born 1864 )before they came to Australia.
My trouble is I have no records of Elizabeth KEMP being born or parents Robert Kemp / Elizabeth Mc Vicker from 156 Townsend St, Dublin North.
 

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On the Baptism record it gives a date of birth of 11th January 1858

This from the GRO

In Ireland, the General Register Office (GRO) is responsible for maintaining official records of births, deaths, and marriages, providing access to these records for public research.

Overview of Births and Deaths in Ireland

General Register Office (GRO): The GRO is the central repository for civil records in Ireland, including births, stillbirths, deaths, marriages, civil partnerships, and adoptions. It has been maintaining these records since 1864 for births and deaths.

So Birth records only started in 1864 that is why you were able to find the birth record for Robert Henry Rutzone Kemp but not for Elizabeth as she was born prior to the birth record inception.

Edited to add - Prior to 1864 the records were kept by the church, the church were only interested when you interacted with them, ie. Baptism, Marriage and Burial. They weren't really interested in Births and Death's.
 
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Thank you - any way to find out if the parents Robert Kemp / Elizabeth Mc Vicker from 156 Townsend St, Dublin North were Irish citizens or had come from Scotland ( possibly Midlothian , Edinburgh) like Robert Kemp / Janet Mercer in around 1856.
 
Is this your Elizabeth? I only ask as she seems to have the same parents as Robert Henry Rutzou Kemp and the father Robert has the same profession 'Painter' and the mother's maiden name is Mercer

Eliza Mc Vicer Kemp
Sex- Female
Birth year 1857
Birth place - Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Father - Robert Kemp
Mother - Janet Mercer

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Death

Eliza Mcvicar Kemp
Sex - Female
Birth year - 1858
Death year - 1865
Death place - At Sea
Age -7
Father's name - Robert
Mother's name - Janet
State Victoria
Registration number 29


Record set Australia, Civil Deaths & Burials 1780-1985

Eliza Mcvicar Kemp
Sex - Female
Birth year - 1858
Death year - 1865
Age - 7
Father's name - Robert
State Victoria
Registration number 10055

Marriage date 19 Mar 1852, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Robert Kemp
Occupation Painter
Residence No 3 Macdonald Street Canongate
Janet Mercer
Residence No 3 MacDonald Street Canongate
Father Thomas Mercer
 
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A few more of their children's births and deaths.

Birth Date - 28 Feb 1852, Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Isabella Scott Kemp
Sex - Female
Father's Name Robert Kemp
Father - Robert Kemp
Mother - Janet Mercer Kemp

Birth Date - 14 Dec 1853, Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Joan McLean Kemp
Sex - Female
Father - Robert Kemp
Mother - Janet Mercer

Death - 14 Mar 1856, Calton and Bonnington, Midlothian, Scotland
Joan McLean Kemp
Sex - Female
Age - 2
Birth Year (Estimated) - 1854
Father - Robert Kemp
Mother - Janet Mercer Kemp

Death, 25 Feb 1858, Calton and Bonnington, Midlothian, Scotland
Henry Wilson Kemp
Sex - Male
Age - 2
Birth Year (Estimated) - 1856
Father - Robert Kemp
Mother - Janet Mercer Kemp

The family emigrated to Australia in 1865, Departure port of Liverpool, arriving in Melbourne, Victoria in October of that year onboard the Morning Light.

Robert - 42 - Mechanic
Janet - 32
Isabella S - 12
Eliza - 7 - Note's died from Acute Meningitis.
Annie - 2
Robert - 1

Se image at https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/3B2E39C6-F96C-11E9-AE98-7DC7C3E7AC2A?image=105

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Janet Mercer Kemp (1832-1881) - Find a Grave...

Janet and Robert had 13 Children of which 3 died in Scotland , 1 on the boat coming to Australia, 3 in Albury, 1 in Wodonga and 7 in Melbourne. Her parents were Thomas Mercer and Isabella Scott from Edinburgh Scotland although Thomas died in Dublin Ireland. When they arrived in Melbourne Robert...
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Robert Snr had a sister Eliza McVicar Kemp born 25th August 1836 who married Ferdinand Rutzou. This is probably where Eliza McVicar Kemp born 1857 got her name from, and Robert Jnr got the 3rd name Rutzou from.
 
Chimp - thank you again - yes all of those are part of my family and have them on the
Code: 
https://www.kempfamilyhistory.com/
web site, Family Tree Maker and find a grave.
They are all part of the Kemps that went to Ireland from Edinburgh Scotland around 1857 and that is what got my interest up when I found the Baptism record for Elizabeth with the parents Robert Kemp / Elizabeth Mc Vicker from 156 Townsend St, Dublin North.
Although they were catholic and my Scottish Kemp's protestants, they all lived within a block or two in Dublin plus my Kemps all had the names McVicker, Anna and Howard (the sponsor) as part of the children's names.

My TOTAL GUESS is that Robert Kemp / Elizabeth Mc Vicker had moved to Ireland from Scotland as Catholics were not very popular at the time especially if related to Robert Kemp (1) / Janet Mercer who were protestant.
This Robert (1) and his father Robert were part of a Masons lodge in Midlothian.

My QUEST is to find out if Robert Kemp / Elizabeth Mc Vicker & child Elizabeth from 156 Townsend St, Dublin North are part of the Kemp clan, and if they are, Irish by birth or from Scotland.

I also believe a lot of Kemps were located at Cork in this period, and several came to Australia as part of the English army, but yet to investigate if any connections with my Kemp's.
Allan
 
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I have searched everywhere I can think of worldwide for another Robert Kemp / Elizabeth Mc Vicker combination but have found nothing only the one you found in 1858. Sorry
 
Thank you for all your efforts - so close but so far away.
Must be a link but unless it can be verified just a thought.
Have a safe 2026 and keep up your fantastic contributions to family research.
 
Even though I couldn’t help you you’re very generous with your wishes. Just wish I could have helped. I detest brick walls.

You have a fantastic 2026 too.
 
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