margenUSA seeking Starbucks (the family)

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Greetings, I was referred to this site by Frank Drake at Parish Chest. I have been researching the Starbuck family for some time and have come to a roadblock that I can't seem to detour around. This is my message to Frank Drake:

... I fear I am at a standstill and don't wish to proceed based on misinformation or poor assumptions. I have Information from Nottingham Parish Registers Marriages (Google Books 1603 Marriages at St. Nicholas's page 9) pertaining to my many times great grandparents:
Edward Starbuck married Anne Barnes on May 8, 1603 (both are said to have been born in 1584 but I am unable to verify this).

Another partial record sites:
Edward Starbuck
mentioned in the record of Elizabeth Starbuck
Name:
Edward Starbuck
Gender:
Male
Daughter:
Elizabeth Starbuck
Other information in the record of Elizabeth Starbuck
from England Births and Christenings
Name:
Elizabeth Starbuck
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
13 Aug 1608
Christening Place:
SAINT NICHOLAS,NOTTINGHAM,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name:
Edward Starbuck
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:C06051-1 ,System Origin: England-ODM ,GS Film number:503803, 503804, 504074
Edward and Anne had a son, Edward, in 1604, a possible daughter Katherine in 1606, a son William in 1607 but this is the only mention I have found anywhere of another daughter, Elizabeth, in 1608.
Edward Sr. is said to have died in 1608 and his wife Anne in 1609 so the oldest, Edward, Jr., would have been orphaned at 5+ years maximum.
I have no information on who Edward Sr.'s parents were and, I believe, incorrect information on Anne's parents (said to be John Barnes and Margaret Bell).
My questions:
  • Would any of the marriage records have listed Edward's and Anne's parents? If so, which reference should I order?
  • Sons Edward and William are said to have been born in Derbyshire, possibly Draycott, but Elizabeth is christened at St. Nicholas, would any godparents or witnesses be listed in church records?
  • There seems to be a complete absence of death/burial records for either Edward or Anne. Is there a source in the Parish Chest that might be useful considering two, three or four young children were orphaned?
I have been in touch with one of William's descendants in the UK who particpated in a DNA study (same team that did Richard III) confirming his Viking heritage. Edward Jr. emigrated to America between 1629 and 1635 and there is considerable history in New England on his accomplishments as an early settler in New Hampshire and a founder of the settlement on Nantucket Island. I would very much like to know who his grandparents were but don't want to order materials that would not be relevant to that research. Any guidance or suggestions you could offer on how to proceed would be greatly appreciated.

Can any of you suggest a resource or reference?
 
Hi Margen,

I have moved this from out Introduce Yourself section to our Nottinghamshire section as it is a research query.

Welcome to Top Dog by the way. :)
 
Wow! Margen, welcome in. C|:-)
I too have a Starbuck connection, one Joseph Alexander b. Gravesend Kent in 1821 who married my GtG.Aunt Caroline Phillips.
I haven't gone anywhere near as far back as you with any of my Families. I wish you lots of luck here & success. :)
 
Hi, Margen and welcome! :)

The UK National Archives site has a handful of "Starbuck" records from 1600's
Reference: PROB 11/286/556
Description: Will of William Johnson alias Starbuck, Husbandman of Toton, Nottinghamshire
Date: 11 February 1659
Available for free at Kew... or 3.30 GBP to download.

There was also a reference to Pembrokeshire Archives holding family papers of the Starbuck family in Nantucket and New Hampshire and may be redundant to what you already have. I followed the link and did a search to the catalogue. The description said they are originally from Derbyshire.

I'm in the States, too, and always out of my depth in UK research. So I will leave it there for the kind folks here to pick up.

Thanks to Frank (and Pam) for the referral and their sponsorship!
Barb
 
Ma-dotcom said:
Wow! Margen, welcome in. C|:-)
I too have a Starbuck connection, one Joseph Alexander b. Gravesend Kent in 1821 who married my GtG.Aunt Caroline Phillips.
I haven't gone anywhere near as far back as you with any of my Families. I wish you lots of luck here & success. :)
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Thanks, Wendy. Doug was nice enough to re-route my introduction to the research query where it belonged. I'm afraid this line of Starbucks remained remarkably grounded in Derbyshire if they didn't emigrate to the US. The only Starbucks I know of in Kent are in William's line:
Eric Chadwick Starbuck Born 5-29-1913 married Florence Emily Barber Born
2-17-1915 in Birmingham Warws. in 1935. Their children were married in Kent:
Valerie Florence Starbuck married Robert E. Hawken in Sidcup, Kent in 1960 and Robert Starbuck married Mary Elaine Blewett in Ashford, Kent in 1966. Robert's children who married did so in Duffield Derbs. so there appears to be a return to the fold. Thanks for the kind wishes!
 
GrannyBarb said:
Hi, Margen and welcome! :)

The UK National Archives site has a handful of "Starbuck" records from 1600's
Reference: PROB 11/286/556
Description: Will of William Johnson alias Starbuck, Husbandman of Toton, Nottinghamshire
Date: 11 February 1659
Available for free at Kew... or 3.30 GBP to download.

There was also a reference to Pembrokeshire Archives holding family papers of the Starbuck family in Nantucket and New Hampshire and may be redundant to what you already have. I followed the link and did a search to the catalogue. The description said they are originally from Derbyshire.

I'm in the States, too, and always out of my depth in UK research. So I will leave it there for the kind folks here to pick up.

Thanks to Frank (and Pam) for the referral and their sponsorship!
Barb
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Thanks, Barb! I've pretty much got the US Starbucks all in a row (most Starbucks in US descend directly from Edward Jr.'s son, Nathaniel). There was a later small outcropping from a different line somewhere in MA or CT. It's the Derbyshire ancestors that are troubling me: Edward Sr.'s wife, Anne Barnes, is said to have had parents named John Barnes and Margaret (or Margarie Bell) in alot of "My Heritage" trees and some Ancestry.com. The Barnes did have a daughter in 1584 but her name was Margaret and I just don't see her using the name Anne on church documents pertaining to marriage. The Barnes also had three sons by the way. Moreover, what of Edward's parents? I think this marriage may have been an alliance between families because the ages of the betrothed (both 19 yrs.) is considerably younger than average (usually 23-26 yrs. old at marriage). I would really like to know the cause of their untimely deaths and the immediate fate of their 2,3 or 4 children...
Very much appreciate your input, Barb.
 
I've no experience of parish registers as early as this (my own experience only goes back to the 1650s) but there were 3 churches in Nottingham in the late 16th/early 17th centuries. They were St Nicholas, St Mary and St Peter's. Each have extant registers from the 1560s/70s and the originals are available on microfiche in Nottingham.

I will have a look at these church's registers and see if I can find any reference to the Starbucks you mention. This may not be straightforward as I don't know how legible the registers are. Most registers from this period have an absolute minimum of information about the event (Christening, marriage, burial) as seems to be the case with the 1608 Elizabeth Christening you've found that doesn't even mention the mother.

I'm a bit under the weather at the moment but I should be able to check by this weekend and I'll get back to you by then.

By the way - welcome to Top Dog. You'll find it a very friendly forum :).
 
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Well I've managed to look at the original registers for St Nicholas (on microfiche) and I'm afraid I can hardly decipher anything at all as the handwriting is so poor (although the image of the pages is very well reproduced).

I had a look at the 1603 marriage entry and that looks to be correct (although if I didn't have the transcription as well I'd be less than certain that the bride's name was "barnes' - I still am!).

The 1608 Elizabeth baptism likewise looks to be correct although, again, I've a slight worry about the transcription of the surname - but on balance I think it's probably correct.

I did find another marriage viz: "Edward Starbuck married Mary Kirk. 22 September 1625". This is in the marriage register for St Mary's in Nottingham (it's the main city church).

I checked the Nottinghamshire Family History Society's parish register transcriptions as well but they don't seem to have done the burial and baptism records for the Nottingham churches for this period as yet.

I will pop back again another day to see if I can find any more relevant legible entries for you, but for the time being I'm afraid I've drawn a blank.
 
I have absolutely no knowledge of UK research either, Margen, but this wonderful comfy place is overflowing with people who are more than willing to help. There is also an amazing amount of collective knowledge so don't be surprised at who comes up with what - it's a motley collection and very useful!!

And from me to you:

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Well I've managed to look at the original registers for St Nicholas (on microfiche) and I'm afraid I can hardly decipher anything at all as the handwriting is so poor (although the image of the pages is very well reproduced).

I had a look at the 1603 marriage entry and that looks to be correct (although if I didn't have the transcription as well I'd be less than certain that the bride's name was "barnes' - I still am!).

The 1608 Elizabeth baptism likewise looks to be correct although, again, I've a slight worry about the transcription of the surname - but on balance I think it's probably correct.

I did find another marriage viz: "Edward Starbuck married Mary Kirk. 22 September 1625". This is in the marriage register for St Mary's in Nottingham (it's the main city church).

I checked the Nottinghamshire Family History Society's parish register transcriptions as well but they don't seem to have done the burial and baptism records for the Nottingham churches for this period as yet.

I will pop back again another day to see if I can find any more relevant legible entries for you, but for the time being I'm afraid I've drawn a blank.
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Thank you Flook!
So kind of you to scroll through microfiche on my behalf, especially when you were just coming out from under the weather. Hope you are feeling better now. I checked the history section of the St. Nicholas website and they have a list of, I think, every Vicar who served there. Thomas Jesson served from 1583-1615 so perhaps it's his handwriting that is such a challenge. I'm wondering how multiple family trees show the birth year and death year of Edward and Anne yet I can't seem to find any actual records. On the other hand, the year of their marriage is correct when it is listed on these various trees. So my question is what did they find/see that I can't? One other question, did they list an age for the Edward who married Mary Kirk? Edward Jr. was born February 16, 1604 so he would have been 21 years old in September 1625. His wife in America was Katherine Reynolds but the location and year of their marriage varies a great deal.
Again, many thanks for your time and effort.
 
From looking at the trees on Ancestry I get the impression that one person posted originally and everyone's just copied and pasted and no original research, possibly apart from the first post, was ever done. I find it interesting that there only seems to be one tree that has the 1625 marriage in it. The brief entry I gave you for the 1625 marriage is the complete entry in the register!

Parish registers from this date are seldom 'official looking' documents (I have seen one or two beautiful ones from Norfolk but they are very rare). They are usually just blank pages on which the priest or his curate or church warden wrote such details as they felt necessary. They don't have forms or boxes to fill in and so it depends on the person how much information is entered. Quite often the entry is not much more than a scribble.

I would be very cautious about the information in those trees on Ancestry; people have a habit of seeing a name and then just connecting it to another because it looks right - that sort of 'research' is just a total waste of time.

I'll have a scout around and see if I can find the type of parish register I'm talking about.
 
Hello again - I've found an example of a parish register from Attleborough in Norfolk for 1602. This is typically the sort of image you have to decipher although I must say this one is exceptionally neat; quite often the writing is not quite this neat or so tidily presented on the page! See here> http://tinyurl.com/nwbyvvd
 
Just one more thing and then I promise to shut up for the night!! Several of the Ancestry trees give Edward's place of birth as "Derby, Leicestershire" and I've seen some that give his place of birth and death as "Leicester, Derbyshire". That's like saying "Indianapolis, Pennsylvania" - you take my point:)…not to be trusted!!
 
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