Palmer family
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I agree with seriously injured, but I can't see breaking through new ground, and I'd go with through the tunnel.
Before that it might be running, then I think it's the tunnel Aldgate to B'gate, then either a seriously squashed up and, or an ampersand (&).
B'gate - Bishopsgate? Interestingly, while trying to check this I found an old (1896) map which showed the Metropolitan Railway's station at Liverpool Street (now called Liverpool Street) with the name Bishopsgate - and tunnels between there and Aldgate.
Before that it might be running, then I think it's the tunnel Aldgate to B'gate, then either a seriously squashed up and, or an ampersand (&).
B'gate - Bishopsgate? Interestingly, while trying to check this I found an old (1896) map which showed the Metropolitan Railway's station at Liverpool Street (now called Liverpool Street) with the name Bishopsgate - and tunnels between there and Aldgate.
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Well I have tried my hardest with the descendants of James Palmer (b 1840 St Pancras) but I have a lot of gaps
He married Louisa Jenkins Wheeler. She is my first puzzlement. She was born c1839 in Westbury on Trym, Gloucestershire. She names her father as William Wheeler, which may or may not be true. I found a birth reg for a Louisa Wheeler that fits, but I have failed to find a suitable baptism, 1841 and 1851 census.
The birth reg for Dec 1839 in the Clifton RD (includes Westbury on Trym) has no mother's maiden name. So I tried searching again without William as a father but still found nothing.
Thinking outside the box I decided to look for Louisa Jenkins, thinking perhaps there was a later marriage (I looked for that too, but didn't see anything that convinced me), however I did find an 1839 baptism in Westbury on Trym for Louisa Jenkins daughter of Fanny Jenkins, and an 1841 census for Lewesa Jenkins, her mother Fanny and brother William. But can't locate them in 1851 under either surname.
It's late so perhaps I will leave this with you and see what you think, and deal with some of the other puzzlements later
He married Louisa Jenkins Wheeler. She is my first puzzlement. She was born c1839 in Westbury on Trym, Gloucestershire. She names her father as William Wheeler, which may or may not be true. I found a birth reg for a Louisa Wheeler that fits, but I have failed to find a suitable baptism, 1841 and 1851 census.
The birth reg for Dec 1839 in the Clifton RD (includes Westbury on Trym) has no mother's maiden name. So I tried searching again without William as a father but still found nothing.
Thinking outside the box I decided to look for Louisa Jenkins, thinking perhaps there was a later marriage (I looked for that too, but didn't see anything that convinced me), however I did find an 1839 baptism in Westbury on Trym for Louisa Jenkins daughter of Fanny Jenkins, and an 1841 census for Lewesa Jenkins, her mother Fanny and brother William. But can't locate them in 1851 under either surname.
It's late so perhaps I will leave this with you and see what you think, and deal with some of the other puzzlements later
mugwortismy cat
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Unfortunately, he's a Labourer, so not much to go on in terms of identifying him.
It seems that William Jenkins from the 1841 census called himself William Wheeler Jenkins, so sort of progress ...
Am pretty sure the baptism is right Louisa called her only daughter Fanny
It seems that William Jenkins from the 1841 census called himself William Wheeler Jenkins, so sort of progress ...
Am pretty sure the baptism is right Louisa called her only daughter Fanny
MollyMay
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I wonder if this is Fanny in 1851 HO107/1952/305/29
Cumberland Place, Clifton
Thomas Brooks b1814 dock labourer
Fanny Brooks b1817 Westbury
William Brooks b1839 Westbury
Louisa Brooks b1841 Clifton
+ 3 more Brooks daughters
the ages for William and Louisa are a bit out, and the pob for Louisa
But Sept qtr 1841 Bristol 11 - 161
Thomas Brooks married and Fanny Jenkins is one of the other names
(the birth reg of the youngest Brooks girl, Mary Ann confirms mmn Jenkins)
Cumberland Place, Clifton
Thomas Brooks b1814 dock labourer
Fanny Brooks b1817 Westbury
William Brooks b1839 Westbury
Louisa Brooks b1841 Clifton
+ 3 more Brooks daughters
the ages for William and Louisa are a bit out, and the pob for Louisa
But Sept qtr 1841 Bristol 11 - 161
Thomas Brooks married and Fanny Jenkins is one of the other names
(the birth reg of the youngest Brooks girl, Mary Ann confirms mmn Jenkins)
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That is brilliant, I completely missed that one, I'd accept Westbury on Trym, Westbury, Clifton or Bristol for place of birth so that is no worry
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I had just found the marriage as well - I think William Jenkins’s occupation was Waggoner
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Yes, I found it too and puzzled over William jenkins's occupation, finally settling on Waggoner
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Yes I found a likely looking baptism with parents William and Ann. Hadn't looked for a marriage yet, so thank you for that
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I'm going to continue this elsewhere, no one else ended up in Glamorgan as far as I can see
herbert76ers
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Hi with regards to Beatrice Palmer, Married to Sidney John LeakerHave started looking at my tree again. Somehow I have ended up in the Palmer family, they are an offshoot of my Bartram family from Norfolk -- Sarah Bartram married Jesse Woods in 1801.Their daughter Mary married John Palmer in 1833.
i seem to be jumping around all over the place, but am trying to focus on the family of their son James (Mar 1840 St Pancras), before him were Sarah Anne (1835 Burston) and George (1837 Burston) (I know I should have started with Sarah and been systematic)
The family were in Burston Norfolk in 1841; twin daughters Catherine Phillis and Rachel Emma were born in Shimpling Norfolk on 14 Oct that year (baptised in Burston)
*Burston is the birthplace of John and Shimpling the birthplace of Mary
They are in Bristol by 1843 as that is where Mary Jane is born, followed by John. They are in Bristol for a number of years, Mary dies in 1854 and John remarries. The family move to Brislington Somerset.
Now why on earth am I posting in Glamorgan you ask?
It's James's eldest Jesse James, born 1861 Bristol (Clifton), he's a bit of a naughty lad. He gets married aged 30, in 1892 to 18 year old Beatrice Blewett, he's a ship steward (His name is spelled Jessy James Palmer, he names his father as James George Palmer, but i think that is because he has a brother James George and he assumed they shared names). The marriage is in Swansea -- so we have reached Glamorgan at last.
1901 sees Beatrice and three children in South Shields, County Durham, children are Francis Frank, Florence Louisa, and baby 'Mary E' (who is registered as Beatrice and called that on any other records I have seen). Jesse must be at sea, he's not at home and I can't see him elsewhere.
1903 in Swansea sees Jesse doing 1 month hard labour for leaving his wife and family dependent on Swansea Union. The criminal record has his name as Jas. Jesse -- I'd like to know if there is more to be found on this.
1911 again no obvious sign of Jesse: Beatrice is living in Swansea with two brothers and her widowed mother, there is now a 4th child Selina Norena born 1905 (so did Beatrice reconcile with Jesse, and has he deserted her again?)
I cannot find a death for Jesse, I can't find out what happened to his wife Beatrice either. I thought Selina would be easy to trace but I have nothing. Am working on the other children
They were my grand parents
moved to Falmouth from Swansea ,had children, hilda ,marion,edna,frank,kenny,david, and twins eileen and beatrice jean (my mum)
all the children have passed .
iam the grandson
with regards to location, it came to pass, because jesse was a seaman, second in command of a packet ship which regularly visited Falmouth docks. when the great general strike of 1920s happened. he said to sidney and beatrice how nice Falmouth was . So they moved to Falmouth.
After Sidney John finished his career as a Sergeant in the Swansea police force. of all things he became an usher in the local cinema
Grandad was 6ft 8in, Nanny was 4ft 11in . they are both buried at the falmouth cemetery, sidney in the old part, beatrice in the new part
1953, 1971
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mugwortismy cat
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Hi, nice to meet you, I think we must be 6th cousins
Thanks for filling in some details, I only had Beatrice and Sidney first 4 children, so I must clear that up immediately
Thanks for filling in some details, I only had Beatrice and Sidney first 4 children, so I must clear that up immediately