Palmer family

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  1. MollyMay

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    Was he a tunneller?

    I think "breaking through new ground* Algate HB yard* seriously injured"

    *best guesses
     
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    I agree with seriously injured, but I can't see breaking through new ground, and I'd go with through the tunnel.

    Before that it might be running, then I think it's the tunnel Aldgate to B'gate, then either a seriously squashed up and, or an ampersand (&).

    B'gate - Bishopsgate? Interestingly, while trying to check this I found an old (1896) map which showed the Metropolitan Railway's station at Liverpool Street (now called Liverpool Street) with the name Bishopsgate - and tunnels between there and Aldgate.
     
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    @MollyMay no not a tunneller, his employment records say he was a porter

    Thank you both for 'seriously injured' and I think @arthurk is right about B'gate
     
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    I am sure @arthurk got it right (I am due new glasses:D)
     
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    Well I have tried my hardest with the descendants of James Palmer (b 1840 St Pancras) but I have a lot of gaps

    He married Louisa Jenkins Wheeler. She is my first puzzlement. She was born c1839 in Westbury on Trym, Gloucestershire. She names her father as William Wheeler, which may or may not be true. I found a birth reg for a Louisa Wheeler that fits, but I have failed to find a suitable baptism, 1841 and 1851 census.
    The birth reg for Dec 1839 in the Clifton RD (includes Westbury on Trym) has no mother's maiden name. So I tried searching again without William as a father but still found nothing.

    Thinking outside the box I decided to look for Louisa Jenkins, thinking perhaps there was a later marriage (I looked for that too, but didn't see anything that convinced me), however I did find an 1839 baptism in Westbury on Trym for Louisa Jenkins daughter of Fanny Jenkins, and an 1841 census for Lewesa Jenkins, her mother Fanny and brother William. But can't locate them in 1851 under either surname.

    It's late so perhaps I will leave this with you and see what you think, and deal with some of the other puzzlements later
     
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    Do you have an occupation for the purported father William?
     
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    Unfortunately, he's a Labourer, so not much to go on in terms of identifying him.

    It seems that William Jenkins from the 1841 census called himself William Wheeler Jenkins, so sort of progress ...

    Am pretty sure the baptism is right Louisa called her only daughter Fanny
     
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    I wonder if this is Fanny in 1851 HO107/1952/305/29
    Cumberland Place, Clifton
    Thomas Brooks b1814 dock labourer
    Fanny Brooks b1817 Westbury
    William Brooks b1839 Westbury
    Louisa Brooks b1841 Clifton
    + 3 more Brooks daughters

    the ages for William and Louisa are a bit out, and the pob for Louisa
    But Sept qtr 1841 Bristol 11 - 161
    Thomas Brooks married and Fanny Jenkins is one of the other names
    (the birth reg of the youngest Brooks girl, Mary Ann confirms mmn Jenkins)
     
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    That is brilliant, I completely missed that one, I'd accept Westbury on Trym, Westbury, Clifton or Bristol for place of birth so that is no worry

    I'm doing a happy dance now :)
     
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    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    On A. Bristol Marriages
    St Mary le Port
    1841 Aug 23 Thomas BROOKS x full bach lab Westbury on Trym
    s George Brooks seaman
    & Fanny JENKINSx full spin d William Jenkins ?Naffina
    wit John Richards; Sarah Readx by banns
     
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    I had just found the marriage as well - I think William Jenkins’s occupation was Waggoner:)
     
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    Yes, I found it too and puzzled over William jenkins's occupation, finally settling on Waggoner :)
     
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    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    I think there is a possibility of Fanny's parents as William and Ann
    Jenkins lab.
    Married at WOT 1814 Aug 29 Willia JENKINSx bach otp
    & Ann DAVISx spin otp banns
    wt James Masey; Thos Gwilliam (a common wit)
    amongst others they have Louisa 1826 Oct 15
     
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    Yes I found a likely looking baptism with parents William and Ann. Hadn't looked for a marriage yet, so thank you for that :)
     
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    I'm going to continue this elsewhere, no one else ended up in Glamorgan as far as I can see
     

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