Frampton, Dorset - Parish registers

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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    I know, awful scan, but perhaps it is the best that could be done :(

    the very next baptism, what, if anything, do you make of the surname?

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    [edit] Ancestry have Terriere (!) FamilySearch have TURNER, there is a John & Jone Turner around, so I want it to be Turner, but if it is 'tis a very strange version of Turner
     
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    Although it is very stretched out, I would have read it as Turner. The poor cleric might have had a dodgy quill and/or had a drop too much tipple ;)

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    Thank you Ann :)

    I can sort of see an elongated Turner, the best I was getting was TORSPERN for the 1st example and TUHRNEIR for the 2nd :eek:

    My transcript currently reads T?????? [TURNER], with Ancestry and FamilySearch results in the notes; not sure if I am brave enough to just put TURNER as I am struggling to see it although I know it is the name o_O

    What's the protocol in such a situation?
     
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    I think you have more than covered all angles by your transcription and remarks :). I would just put Turner? thus alerting anyone reading the transcription to the fact that they need to check it for themselves.

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    Ok, I promise that I have sorted out a few on my own and am not making you do all the work ;)

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    William Lawes the sone of Marie Lawes was Baptized the 12 Day of July

    first inclination was to read LANDES for the surname, but I have settled on LAWES taking into account both examples

    Marce (as in Marcia) is what I had initially, but is it/should it be Marie? -- which is what Ancestry and FamilySearch have
     
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    I thought Landes as well, but looking at both of them really carefully, I'm pretty sure it is Lawes. And it surely must be Marie - I think the vicar needs to get that wretched quill replaced ;)

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    Hister Palmer and Anne Palmer Daughters of Mathew Palmer where Baptized the 26 Day of Nobember [1673] being about ????

    being about one? nine? wine? wne? idne? :confused:

    or something else entirely !?
     
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    It's a "v" in November - they were often done with a tall stalk like that, and it isn't looped like the "b" in being, for example.

    As for the rest of it, to me it looks like
    being a or twne
    and given the standard of spelling (eg "bapzeid"), I wonder if it might be something to do with twins.
     
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    Mr K, I always enjoy your interventions :)

    I kind of knew that, but was being slightly facetious ;) (like all those times I've seen ss trancribed as ff), it is the only example I've come across so far in these PRs, usually what I have interpreted as 'v' is written as 'u'

    Oh jolly good :) (1) for spotting the mispelling of baptized -- I didn't :oops:
    and (2) 'being a twin' has occurred several times subsequent to this baptism -- but not for any of the double baptisms previous to it, that's probably why I didn't work it out. Once I even had 'being a twin or 2in'. Looking again maybe it says 'being a a twne' :confused:

    Excellent work:cool:
     
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    (blush)
    I don't always pick up on that kind of nuance, so I'm sorry that you've had to explain yourself.:oops:
     
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    others have transcribed the mother's name as Yonerith, Youerith, Youevith --- looks like Youerith to me, am I missing something? is there a more plausible name in there? or can anyone show me this name exists elsewhere?

    According to Ancestry and FamilySearch she is Gwenith or Yenevith Stephens at her marriage; Yonerith or Yeadrith Willis at her remarriage to William Hembrew/Hembry; haven't located her death

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    if it helps I can provide snips of another baptism and the two marriages
     
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    Umm if I had read the daughters name without all your previous input I would read it as Sara, I can't see how to make it into Luce at all. And the parents look like Jossiah and Jone to me too.

    Edit: this is re #98
     
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    Hi Peregrine

    You are referring back to this post Frampton, Dorset - Parish registers

    Thanks, it's good to have one more vote for Jossiah :)

    I can understand where you are coming from, this style of handwriting takes a while to get used to 'e' looks like a kind of 'a', 'c' looks like a sort of 'r', 'r' looks almost like a small 'w', and let's not try to describe 'h' and 'x' :eek: ... and then the 'R' almost looks like 'V' etc etc.

    Even with C19 handwriting capital S and L are still often confused :confused:
     
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    Well, my Frampton Fix has really got me stumped this morning :( If I had to hazard any sort of guess, I would plump for Gwenith, BUT having looked at the marriages as well, and tried to find a Miss Stephens baptised with any sort of name which would fit, I'm not convinced of anything. Maybe you'll find her death Christel - it will either help or muddy the water even more.

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    Just looked at my transcript for her '1st' marriage, I've got her as widow o_O [in which case, she is probably the Widow Stephens who had a child in 1673 -- it's the first mention of a Stephens in the Frampton PRs, so I don't know her husband's name ...]

    I'll have another look at the image ...
     
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    I take that back there are Stephens in Frampton before this, just not in the set of images I am working on


    [edit] I take it back again, I obviously don't know what I am doing, there is an entry in 1671 for a marriage of Richard Stephens to an unnamed person --

    A Richard Stephens died 12 Feb 1672, so he is probably the father of Widow Stephens child, and we still don't know her name ...
     
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    Oh pooh, for want of a better turn of phrase :(

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    Maybe we should set Yonerith/Youerith aside for now

    What does anbody make of these two obscured surnames?

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    Gardiner for the first ("paptized" :rolleyes:), and Bis... for the second, possibly Bishop.
     
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    Thank you :)

    Bishop does very nicely :cool:
    I've been interpreting the other one as Sandiner -- compare the S in Sonne -- there are several other occurrences

    ... A and FS do agree with me, but Gardiner does seem more likely o_O
     

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