Looking for Thomas H WILLSON

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  1. Huncamunca

    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    I am not using Ancestry for the census, so can't send you the link, sorry. :( If they've been mis-transcribed on Ancestry you should be able to find them using the reference RG 9/2182, f.62, p.22.

    Here they are 10 years earlier, on the 1851 census (HO 107/2058, f.558, p.25). Note that the surname is just spelled with one 'l' here and that Helen on the later census is Ellen here.

    Unett Street, Birmingham St George

    Thomas Wilson, head, mar, 37, goldsmith & jeweller
    Mary Ann do, wife, mar, 37
    Mary ann do, daur, u, 12, scholar
    Edward do, son, u, 7, scholar
    Ellen Amanda do, dau, u, 4
    Emily Jane do, dau, 7 months
    (all born Birmingham)
    plus a 21 year old house servant Mary A(gin?), born Ireland

    edit: oops, snap Ken_R :)
     
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    Yep, I got that one on my tree just not the 1861 census one.
     
  3. Ken_R

    Ken_R Well-Known Member

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    For the Death of someone as prominent as (described in 1851) a Jeweller & Goldsmith, then I would have expected an Obit in 1881. I can't find one.

    Neither can I find any newspaper announcement for the couple of Births that I have searched.

    Edward's Birth is shown, but the page number is unreadable. Ellen Amanda should have been the easy one to find, but doesn't seem to be listed.

    Emily Jane is at Birmingham Q3 1850, Vol 16, Page 293. Ordering a copy of her Birth Certificate will confirm the occupation of the Father and give us the maiden name of the Mother.
     
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    Do you have the 1841 census too?
     
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    Their surname has been transcribed as HILLSON on Ancestry. :)
     
  6. Ken_R

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    FreeBMD has a better entry for Edward Haseler Willson, Birmingham, 16, 256.

    Still no newspaper announcement for him either.
     
  7. Kristie

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    I have this as the 1841 census for Thomas....

    Name: Thomas Willson
    Age: 17
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Warwickshire, England

    Civil Parish: St George
    Hundred: Birmingham
    County/Island: Warwickshire
    Country: England

    Registration District: Birmingham
    Sub-registration District: St George

    Piece: 1141
    Book: 14
    Folio: 40
    Page Number: 1
    Household Members:
    NameAge
    William Willson 58
    Elizabeth Willson 51
    John Willson 20
    David Willson 19
    Thomas Willson 17
    William Willson 14
    George Willson 12
    Sarah Willson 7

    All links to Ancestry have been removed as they are not permitted. Jan
     
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    Do you guys think that this is his family and that Elizabeth is his mother?
     
  9. Huncamunca

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    On the 1851 census Thomas is 37 with a 12 year old child, so in 1841 I would expect him to be aged about 27, already with Mary, and with a child of about 2.

    I prefer this 1841 census:
    Little Hamp(ton?) Street, Birmingham St George (HO 107/1141/2, f.24, p.9)
    Thos Wilson, 25, Jeweller, y
    Mary do, 25, y
    Maria do, 2, y
    Emma do, 6 months, y
    (surname looks more like Hilson but could be Wilson)

    Edit: note that ages of adults were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 on this census, so 25 could mean anything between 25 and 29 years old.
     
  10. Huncamunca

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    I have been googling in the hope of enlightenment and have possibly found some. Remember that Thomas was in Villa Street on the 1861 census? Well, here here is a tantalising little snippet which may give some new leads.

    Thomas Willson jnr of Villa Street, Birmingham, jeweller was one of the witnesses to the will of a Mary Wilson (otherwise Willson) of Litton, widow. Also mentioned there is an Edward Haseley Willson, another witness.

    This is on the DERBYSGEN mailing list in a thread entitled 'Mentioned in will 1863'. See first entry here:

    http://
    archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DERBYSGEN/2007-12/1196719693

    Cross-checking in the National Probate Calendar on Ancestry, I find this:

    WILLSON otherwise WILSON.
    27 April [1863]. The Will of Mary Willson otherwise Wilson late of Litton in the Parish of Tideswell in the County of Derby Widow deceased who died 28 January 1863 at Litton aforesaid was proved at Derby by the oath of Thomas Willson of Villa-street in the Parish of Aston near Birmingham in the County of Warwick Yeoman one of the Executors.​
    Effects under £20.​

    So Thomas was the executor for this widow Mary Willson of Litton in Derbyshire. Could she be his mother? I expect the will would spell out the relationship. You can buy copies of post-1858 wills for £6 a time, but it may be worth contacting the person who posted that message on DERBYSGEN in case he could let you have details more cheaply. See contact details on his website here:

    http://
    homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm
     
  11. Ken_R

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    Slight correction for the 1841 entry. Folio 25, Page 9. Ancestry shows the name Hilden.

    I prefer this one also.:)

    Another 1841 entry to keep in mind is HO107, Piece 1150, Book 2, Folio 34, Page 23, in Villa St.

    Thomas Willson 53 Ind(ependant) [Means] (=b. 1788) (Born out of County)
    Mary 47 (=b. 1794)
    William 19 Factors App(rentice) (=b. 1822)
    Alfred 16 Jewellers App(rentice) (=b. 1825)
    Mary 14 (=b. 1827)
    + an Emily Watson 5

    Looking at the RootsWeb/Derby entry, and assuming it to be correct, it makes mention of
    son John
    son Thomas
    son George
    dau Sarah Wilson

    Following on from the suggestion that Mary, as mentioned as the subject of the Will was the Mother of Thomas, I have been doing a little digging.

    On Family Search I can find that on the 26 June 1825, at the Summer Lane formerly New Hall Street Jerusalem [Church] Birmingham were a number of christenings with the same parents, Thomas and Mary Wilson.

    Thomas Wilson b. 23 Oct 1813
    Harriett Wilson b. 9 May 1815
    George Wilson b. 15 Mar 1820
    William Wilson b. 27 Oct 1821
    Alfred Wilson b. 17 Mar 1824

    We are just missing Sarah and Mary. Mary, of course, born later.

    FS appears to have multiple entries for Mary.

    Mary Ann Wilson b. 13 May 1827, Bath Street, Birmingham. Christened 1 Oct 1830, St Philip’s, Birmingham.

    The next being essentially the same. And then,

    Mary Anne Wilson b. 13 May 1827, christened 17 Jun 1827, Summer Lane formerly New Hall Street Jerusalem [Church] Birmingham.

    Had they forgotten about the 1st one?:D

    And so to Sarah. No obvious Bap but a marriage entry, St Philip’s, Birmingham, 24 Nov 1852, (giving her Birth year as 1816), to a Peter Bunn, father’s being Thomas Wilson & Thomas Bunn.

    Or perhaps as Sarah, on the Will was shown as Sarah Wilson indicates that she remained unmarried?

    So where was Sarah in 1841? There is an intriguing entry at HO107, Piece 1147, Book 7, Folio 24, Page 6, in Ryland Road, Birmingham.
    All born ‘in County’

    Jno Wilson 55 (Can’t read occupation)
    Mary Ann Wilson 49
    Henry Wilson 16
    Caroline Wilson 19
    Charles Wilson 10
    Emma Wilson 8
    Rhoda Wilson 5
    Sophia Wilson 3
    Sarah Wilson 25.

    It reads almost as though she was not part of the ‘family’ and was a relative – possibly helping to care for the ankle snappers.

    Of course, where it all falls apart, is the absence of Edward Haseley (Wilson) but it is easier to catalogue the info rather than having to search for it all again.

    Kristie. Hope you had a good B'day celebration. Have you any photo's that you don't want to share with us?;)

    Edit: Oops. I'd missed out John. I can see a Birth in 1819 and a Bap in 1820 but can't really reconcile it with the other entries.
     
  12. janetbooth

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    1841 census of Birmingham (HO107/1141/2, folio 24, page 9):
    Little Hampter? St

    Thos WILSON 25 Jeweller
    Mary do 25
    Marie do 2
    Emma do 6 months

    All born in the county. This would probably make their marriage c1838 and as they are both from Birmingham in that reg district too.

    Janet
     
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    Do you definitely have the maiden name of SMITH from one of the birth certificates of the children? I cannot find a marriage in the GRO Index for Thomas & Mary but it could be prior to September 1837 when registration started or the marriage may not have been registered as it is so soon after registration began. However, one to bear in mind is a marriage on IGI Family Search at Aston Juxta, Birmingham on 23 June 1836 of a Thomas WILLSON & a Mary Ann TAYLOR.

    Janet
     

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