My 3x Gr Grandmother, Elizabeth Wilshire who married William King

The will of John Mitchel, Clerk, of Atherstone, Warwickshire was proved in the PCC on 23 Apr 1846 - could this be him, and he lived out of his parish?

The will is quite long and detailed, and I may not have time to get right through it, but he does seem to have had London connections. In the bit I did have time for, I didn't see any mention of anyone called King.
 
MollyMay and Arthur.....you are amazing!....I must admit that the marriage looks very probably the right one!....and certainly the the baptisms are for the "3 graces", the middle one, Elizabeth Ann King, married Dr Samuel Smith Millar was my 2x gr grandmother. The reason I was skeptical was that I thought it unlikely that the first 2 boys would have been born out of wedlock....
FYI, the 3 boys are:
Thomas Harper King, born Oct 13, 1822
Charles King, born May 27, 1824 and
John King, born in 1825
Here is a photograph of an original drawing done in about 1826 of, I believe Elizabeth King, nee Wilshin and her 2 younger boys, Charles King and John King. Funny how they dressed boys up to look like girls in those days! Now I have to find John King's baptism! I have more photos of her and William King in old age if anyone is interested!

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AnnB said:
Elizabeth Wilshin on November 5th 1794 at St Leonard's Heston, daughter of John and Sophia.
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If this is your Elizabeth -
John Willshen of Harrow married Sophia Jones of St George's Hanover Square
Married in 1793 at St George's Hanover Square

John and Sophia also baptise a son
John Jones Wilshin -28/3/1798 at St Leonard Heston
and a daughter Sophia 24/5/1796 at Heston buried 29/6/1796 at Northolt
 
MollyMay said:
If this is your Elizabeth -
John Willshen of Harrow married Sophia Jones of St George's Hanover Square
Married in 1793 at St George's Hanover Square

John and Sophia also baptise a son
John Jones Wilshin -28/3/1798 at St Leonard Heston
and a daughter Sophia 24/5/1796 at Heston buried 29/6/1796 at Northolt
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Beat me to it :)
 
arthurk said:
Looking for the boys:
The 1868 probate for Elizabeth mentions a son Charles - could he be the one baptised 2 Jun 1824 at St Marylebone (born 27 May)? - this was the parish where William and Elizabeth married the following year.
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This was definitely the middle boy......I have quite a bit of info on him.....which I am happy to share if anyone is interested....most of it on ancestry.com....
 
I still think that Daniel and Mary Wilshin are the most likely parents......and though I have been proved wrong on lots of other things (!), I still think that her birth year was likely to be 1797....and could have been baptized a bit later.....my project when I get home!!....
Cheers!
 
Not sure if all this is helpful or not, however:
Find a Grave.
Daniel Wilshin
Death 8/6/1822
Spouse, Elizabeth Wilshin
St John the Baptist Churchyard,
Pinner Green
London Borough of Harrow.
(In his 79th year) Grave marked with lovely memorial.
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The Monthly Magazine Vol 44 page 276 October 1817
At Pinner Green Lodge, Mrs Willshen, wife of Daniel Willshen, Esq.
The Gentlemans Magazine 1817
Mrs Wilshen the wife of Daniel Wilshen of Pinner Green Lodge, Pinner, Middlesex
 
British History On-Line.
Harrow including Pinner: Manors.
MARLPITS
(last paragraph)
'Although Marlpits Manor was freehold it was intermingled with copyhold lands all of which were remodelled to form Waldo's Farm. When this was sold in 1817 it included fields called Marlpits, Lye Field and Broad Field. As part of the farm, Marlpits was sold by Charles Waldo to Daniel Dancer. It passed in 1794 to Henry and Mary Sayer and in 1817 to Daniel Wilshin'
 
Quite a few Wilshins around Pinner.
Ancestry Message boards has a James Wilshin of Pinner marring Ann Horn 1795, Westminster St James. I wonder if this James is the brother of Daniel.
Also part of a tree,
Jason Wilshin 1759-1819
Danniel Wilshin of Ruislipp 1730-1796,
His father Daniel Wilshin (Ruislipp) 1696-1767
His father Daniel Wilshin 1683-1735
So it seems that Daniel is a family name around Pinner/Ruislipp
 
MollyMay said:
Perhaps I was being too hasty.

Originally I discounted this surname, this is an entry for 1799
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But in October 1799 another family with the same name appear bap. a daughter
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These two couples continue to bap children and this one in 1805 made me wonder if the surname is Wilshir
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Sorry George...:(
Found this,
Daniel Wilshin born 1766 Pinner Middlesex died 1842 Reading Berkshire, married Mary Maria Derbeigh 1978.
Children were;
John
Daniel
Jason
Mary Ann
Jason
Thomas
James
Elizabeth
Amy.
Elizabeth baptised 1813. Married Henry Stamp March 1835
 
AnnB said:
There are quite a few mentions of various Wilshins from Pinner in the papers, but nothing that would help with Elizabeth.

On Ancestry, I have found a baptism of an Elizabeth Wilshin on November 5th 1794 at St Leonard's Heston, daughter of John and Sophia. Heston is about 10 miles from Pinner.
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This one may need a rethink.
 
Another contender is Elizabeth Willshin baptised 4/8/1793 Aldenham Hertford. Father John Willshin mother Margaret.
Aldenham 6 miles from Pinner
 
Archie's Mum said:
Sorry George...:(
Found this,
Daniel Wilshin born 1766 Pinner Middlesex died 1842 Reading Berkshire, married Mary Maria Derbeigh 1978.
Children were;
John
Daniel
Jason
Mary Ann
Jason
Thomas
James
Elizabeth
Amy.
Elizabeth baptised 1813. Married Henry Stamp March 1835
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Thanks for this, Sue....but not what I was hoping to read!...sometimes things don't work out the way they want!!!....Cheers!
 
Archie's Mum said:
Quite a few Wilshins around Pinner.
Ancestry Message boards has a James Wilshin of Pinner marring Ann Horn 1795, Westminster St James. I wonder if this James is the brother of Daniel.
Also part of a tree,
Jason Wilshin 1759-1819
Danniel Wilshin of Ruislipp 1730-1796,
His father Daniel Wilshin (Ruislipp) 1696-1767
His father Daniel Wilshin 1683-1735
So it seems that Daniel is a family name around Pinner/Ruislipp
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Interesting, Sue......I am sure t is the same family....its just a question of finding out who Elizabeth Wilshin who married William's parents were!....perseverance!!!.....
 
I wonder if we may be barking up the wrong tree here.
William King and Elizabeth Wilshin were married in 1825, but the eldest Thomas HARPER King was born in 1822.
Do you know where the HARPER comes from?
Could this not be Elizabeth's previous name? Either maiden or previous marriage.?
Was Thomas Harper King 1822 (died 1864) the nephew of Thomas Harper King?
Related to Thomas King of Camden Calvert and King, contractors of the Third Fleet and also slave traders?
 
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Archie's Mum said:
I wonder if we may be barking up the wrong tree here.
William King and Elizabeth Wilshin were married in 1825, but the eldest Thomas HARPER King was born in 1822.
Do you know where the HARPER comes from?
Could this not be Elizabeth's previous name? Either maiden or previous marriage.?
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Good idea, Sue....but in this case the Harper came from William King's grandfather on his mother's side. William King's father, Thomas King (1749-?) was a partner in a trading company/ merchants called Camden, Calvert & King. Thomas King married Sarah Hall (1758-?), from a family of merchants from Barbados, on 14th October, 1780 at St Olave, Hart Street, City of London. Her father was Harper Hall, of Bridgetown, Barbados who died there on July 22, 1759 and mother was Jane Lewis (d 1768 in Bridgetown, Barbados). They had only married in 1757, and Jane had a son swell, also Harper Hall , born Nov 5th, 1759, about 4 months after his father's death and died, unmarried on August 19th, 1788 and buried at Stoke Newington, Middx. Interestingly, Thomas King's father was called Newark King, of Lofthouse, Yorks, died 6th March, 1785, aged about 68, buried at Skelton, Yorks.
Annoyingly, I have a lot on the King's written by someone in 1815, just before William King was married! William King's siblings were Thomas Harper King (1781-?); Anthony Calvert king (1786-?); George King (1787-); Henry King (1794-?) and Sarah Amelia (1791-?) who married Thomas Pendarves Smith.
Hope this isn't too much info!!!....
 
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