On the Back of a Silhouette

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  1. Grizel

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    There is a Thomas Bache b 1772-1776, married to Esther, lived in Coventry and buried Coventry 1843. Apparently died in London.
    A wealthy businessman I think.
     
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    This from the Leamington Spa Courier 18th November 1843
    Having been removed, for convenience of Sale, from Cuff House, Warwick, late the Residence of Thomas Bache, Esq., deceased; ABOUT 100 Lots of costly elegant China Ornaments, (of ancient and modern manufacture), Lots of richly cut Glass, comprising Dessert Services, Decanters, Claret Jugs, Celery Stands, Salvers, Tumblers, Wines, and the other usual requisite Glass Articles; beautifully chased Plated Goods, in Venison Dish and Cover, Ice Pails, Waiters, Epergne, Centre Stands, etc.; rich China Dinner, Dessert, and Tea Services, 23 valuable Oil Paintings and Engravings, in gilt frames; a splendid Collection of Foreign Stuffed Birds, of most exquisite plumage, well-arranged, in a glass case; Pair of Cut Glass Pedestal Solar Lamps, valuable Invalid's Chair, peculiarly adapted for a Hospital, or any large Public Medical Establishment; Medicine Chest (complete), Thornton's Illustrations of Linnaeus, with Plates, in Russia - a most important Work; several Spanish Mahogany Dressing Chests (complete), Tables, Sofa, Bookcases, Patent Portable Economical Cooking Apparatus, and numerous other Household Appendages. Particulars of the whole to be had in Catalogue, from the Auctioneer, or at the Place of Sale, after Tuesday next. The Sale to commence each Morning precisely at Eleven o'clock. At Four o'clock in the Afternoon on the first day will be offered a good Town-built CHARIOT, lined drab, loose cover, lamps, well, boxes, and mats, complete. To be disposed of by Private Contract, a splendid 6½ octave PIANO-FORTE, with metallic plates (full fine toned), in a handsome Rosewood case, fitted in blue fluted silk, with front high preservation; together with an elaborately-carved Rosewood stool to correspond. To view, or treat for the same, apply to Mr Loveday, Solicitor, Warwick, or Mr W. B. Margetts, High Street, Warwick, or Broad Gate, Coventry.
     
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    Yes that's the man. Quite wealthy!
    Googling it looks as though a Thomas Bache had a Canal Company. Poss the same man.
    I wonder if he would have had a silhouette made?
     
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    Coventry 1826 Suitors List has a Thomas Bache and a John Bache as inhabitants of Bishops Street Covenyry
     
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    The next question is....

    Did this Thomas BACHE have a daughter Ann, who married a chap named PARKE? No first name available...
     
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    The mystery deepens.. .

    Sorry I can't see an Ann so far. This Thomas and Esther married 1801. Thos a bachelor. Witnesses William and Hannah Bache. Poss children are Elizabeth, Susanna and Emily Harriet but there may be others.

    Any more clues?
     
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    There was a son of Thomas named John who, we think, died in 1825. This is on the back of another silhouette dated 1824.
     
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    This might help :)
    Coventry Herald 8th April 1825
    On Wednesday at the house of T. Bache Esq., in this city, in his 14th year, John, only son of John Bache Esq., of Wyken House, Salop.
     
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    There is a marriage transcription on FMP between Ann Bache, daughter of John Bache, and Joseph Thomas Parkes which took place in Worfield, Shrophire on the 5th October 1848.
     
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    In the Hereford Journal (and several other papers) of the 18th October 1848
    Oct. 5 at Worfield Church Salop, by the Rev. C. F. Broadbent, Vicar, Joseph Thomas Parkes Esq., second son of Major Parkes of Wentsland Cottage, Monmouthshire,to Ann, only daughter of the late John Bache Esq., of Wyken-house, Salop.
    Ann had an organ and a memorial window dedicated to her in Worfield Church, after she died in 1874. There’s a fairly lengthy article about it in the Wellington Journal of the 19th August 1876.
     
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    I think that is Cliff (Cuff ?)House, Coventry Road.
    1841 has Thomas Bache age 65, Independent, born Warwick with wife Esther age 50 born Warwick living 1 Cliff Houses Coventry Road St Nicholas Warwick. Page 10 Folio 22.
    There is also an obituary but dated 25/2/1860 Leamington Spa Courier for Thomas Bache Esq wife Mrs Esther Bache also says death 1860?????? This could be a memorial though.
    Family Search.
    1818 under Wharfingers, Pigots.. BACHE Thomas Leicester Row
    Coventry Canal Company Leicester Row.
    Index to History of Warwickshire by William West 1830...
    BACHE Thomas, General Carrier, Leicester Row Coventry. Page 760
    BACHE Thomas, Canal Carrier, Leicester Row Coventry. Page 784
     
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    Oh wow! You lot are brilliant! :D

    I shall go and write this up for my friend who, i know, will be over the moon with this information!

    Thank you all :D {-(^^)-}
     
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    Stedman Family Tree:
    Ann Bache c 1813 died 19th June 1874 Worfield Shropshire
    Father John Bache 15 Jan 1783 Worfield died 28 Dec 1854, (son of Thomas Bache and Jane)mother Catherine Stedman 23 Oct 1786 died 4 Sept 1862. Married 17 Jun 1807 Shrewsbury.
    Ann Bache married Joseph Thomas Parkes c1806 died 25 June 1860, Married 5 Oct 1848. Father Major Parkes
     
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    Children of the above Catherine Stedman and John Bache: Stedman Tree
    Elizabeth 1808-1880
    Catherine Jane 1809-1829
    Thomas William 1810-1821
    Rachael 1812-1858
    Ann 1813-1874 x Joseph Thomas Parkes
    John 1814-1814
    Helen 1815-x William Reynolds Austice
    Jane 1818-1854 x John Farmer
    John 1819-
    1861 three of the daughters were living with their mother Catherine along with a niece, 57 year old Caroline de Sutze St John, married, independent. (She might be interesting to follow ;))
     
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    Leamington Spa Courier 25th February 1860
    On Monday last, in London, Mrs Esther Bache, of 6, St George's Place, Brighton, relict of Thomas Bache Esq., late of Coventry and Warwick, in the 77th year of her age.
    This death notice appeared in several newspapers.
     
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    Good to wake up to a puzzle solved!
     
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    Yes. I had the names reversed. :rolleyes: But it wasn’t my fault. It was how FS had it listed. That’s my excuse anyway.:rolleyes:
     
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    There are PCC wills for both John (1848) and his wife Ann Bache (1856). They are, of course, quite difficult to read but I skimmed through them in the hope that they may mention specific items (like silhouettes :rolleyes:) but I can't see any such reference. I did notice though, that John calls his daughter Ann's future husband, Joseph Thomas Parkes, (Joseph and Ann married later in 1848) his cousin, although that might be said in the loosest meaning of the word 'cousin'. Ann appears to have been an only child.
     
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    You tell 'em Love. good sorting. ;)
     
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    Thanks, @AnnB :)

    I have written up the information and sent it over to my friend who collects silhouettes. He runs a pub and, whilst it has not been open, he has been trying to research the people in his collection.

    I will let you all know if any further gems appear. ;)
     
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