Handwriting translation needed, please

Certainly looks like Casasnajor, probably I'll be proven wrong again.

Just Googled Casasnajor and found a reference to an Alexander Casasmajor Michael (with a Spanish surname), he's a policeman in USA.

I think you're spot on with Scrivener Mugsworthyismycat.

So perhaps Emma Scrivener had a Spanish mother?

 

Figures, the Spanish convention is to use both surnames, but with the mother's name last. Hence, in Spain, she would be Emma Scrivener y Casa????

 

I have struck lucky! I was getting nowhere so decided just to search for Casa*ajor as a first name

Have found Probate for Emma Casamajor SCHEIBER (Relict of Charles August PACEBERGER) died 7 Dec 1890 --- says she is a widow and lived in the right place, Probate to a "Richard Pargeter ... Wharfinger the Father and Guardian of Frederick James Stevens Mary Joseph Pargeter Minor the Universal Legatee" -- can someone explain that to me?

-- can't explain the widow part as yet or why her name is different from Paceberger, 1881 says she is unmarried (but that census is a bit strange and I don't trust it -- in one place it originally said a RC priest was married, the enumerator did correct it but he may have missed other errors). Not found a marriage as yet.

I also have found baptism of Emma Casamajor SCHREIBER on 1st Aug 1807 (born 4 ult.) in Lyme Regis, parents Thomas Schreiber Esqr. & Mary

So seems the Scrivener on the 1881 is an Anglicised version of her name (?)

 

It certainly looks as if her surname should be Scrivener in 1881.
However, there is an Emma Casamajor living as a lodger, widow, aged 52 born Lyme Regis, Dorchester at 48 Clapham Road, Lambeth in 1861 (RG9/357/92/13). There is a registration for the death of Emma Casamajor December qtr. 1890 Hackney, aged 83.

So, was she unmarried or a widow - was Scrivener her maiden name?

Ann

 

We cross-posted

Will have to come back later.......

Ann

 

I have established that Emma had two siblings born in Lyme Regis

Sophia Elizabeth bapt. 1805
Thomas Campbell bapt. 1810

I can place Thomas Schreiber in Lyme Regis only in 1806, 1810 and 1811 (Dorset Land Tax)

The only marriage of a Thomas Schreiber to a Mary that I have found so far, is to Mary Macky in 1797 in Hertfordshire [they have a child Elizabeth Mary in 1801 in Edinburgh]

There is an earlier Sophia Elizabeth Schreiber (a possible relation or a complete red herring) who marries in London in 1782 to Anthony Geledneki/Geudneki

Using the alternative name of Scrivener hasn't got me anywhere as yet

And Emma's husband doesn't exist, no-one in the whole history of the world has ever been called Paceberger

 

Some progress ...

WHEREAS by an Order of the High Court of
Chancery made in the matter of an Act of Parlia-
ment of the 10th and 11th Victoria, c. 96 and in the
matter of the trusts of the marriage settlement of Thomas
Schreiber with Mary Macky, it was referred to Nassau
William Senior, Esq. one of the Masters of the said Court,
to enquire whether any and what appointments or appoint-
ment of or affecting the trust funds, subject to the trust of
the said marriage settlement or any parts or part thereof,
have or has been made by the said Thomas Schreiber and
Mary Macky, or either, and which of them, pursuant to the
powers of appointment contained in the indenture of
settlement, dated the 13th day of July 1797, or either of
them; and whether any and what assignments have been
made by the children of the said Thomas Schreiber,
begotten on the body of Mary his wife, or any of them of
their respective shares and interests of and in the said
trust funds or any part thereof, and who is or are
now entitles thereto. All persons claiming under such
appointments or assignments are, by their Solicitors,
to come in before the said Master, at his chambers,
in Southampton-buildings, Chancery-lane, London, on
or before the 15th day of June 1850, and leave their claims,
and are, on or before the 1st day of July 1850, to
establish their claims, or in default thereof they will be
excluded the benefit of the said Order. The said Thomas
Schreiber and Mary Macky were married in 1797, from
which period, until 1816, they resided at Belmont-house,
Lyme Regis, Dorset; they then removed to Caen, in
Normandy, where they resided until the death of the said
Thomas Schreiber, in 1818; Mrs. Schreiber the removed
to Paris, and in 1819 married Mr. Jean Auguste Talansier,
of Paris; she remained there untl 1832, since which period
she resided separately from her said husband (who died in
1835), in and in the neighbourhood of London, until her
death, which took place at Loughborough-cottages, Brixton,
Surrey, on the 4th September 1849.

from London Gazette, p 1371
www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/21094/pages/1371/page.pdf‎

 

There is a PCC will (dated 1816 and proved 1819) for a Thomas Schreiber 'heretofore of Tewin in the County of Hertford but now of Saint Helier in the Island of Jersey'. I've only had a quick look but he does mention at least two sons, Thomas Campbell and Charles Edward, and 'my six daughters' including Sophia Elizabeth and Emma Casamajor.

NB Ancestry have transcribed Tewin Hertford as Ensin Hatford.

P.S. sorry I've only just spotted your previous post, mugwortismycat. That looks interesting!

 

A2A has descriptions of some deeds for property in Enfield, which mention some of the people in this story including (in an 1823 mortgage) 'Jean Auguste Talansier of Champs Elysees, Paris, officer in King's Dragoon Guards', his wife Mary, and Charles Edward Schreiber of New Bond Street, midshipman.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=074-acc371&cid=-1#-1

 

Announced in the Gentleman's magazine

15 [July 1797] ...

At Tewin church, Thomas Schrieber, esq. son of Charles S. esq. of Tewin house, Herts, to Miss Macky, daughter of Robert M. esp. of Marden-hill.

via google-books

 

Thanks Jan

 

Thanks Huncamunca
Just looked at this, I don't seem to have eyes that can read this script very well right now, but have downloaded it and will try and transcribe it later -- sure I just need practice!

By the way, Canterbury must be somewhere other than England. I searched Wills and Probate, and got 4 hits in the National Probate Calendar, but nothing else. I clicked off UK & Ireland, and changed to all databases and up popped the PCC will too

P.s. have found another sibling for Emma in St Helier, Georgiana bapt. 19 Mar 1815

 

Emma must have left her entire property to Frederick J.S.M.J. Pargeter. He is presumably the Frederick James M.J.S. Pargeter whose birth was registered in the St Saviour, Southwark, district in the third quarter of 1871. He just missed the 1871 census, but appears as 9 year old Fred Pargeter in 1881 with mother Alice and numerous siblings (the father, Richard, is not there) (RG 11/601, f.109, p.19).

Aha, good thing I did look for the Pargeter family in 1871 too, as they have an interesting visitor: Emma Casamajor, 59 year old widow, born Dorset (RG 10/605, f.22, p.38).

 

Thank you Huncamunca

I thought after I posted that it must mean that, I was confused though as I initially thought there were at least two people in that name -- then realised it must be one person but got distracted from searching for him because I was trying to find Emma's father

 

Yes, that's all it is, no dark arts, just practice! The more PCC wills you see, the more you get used to that horrible writing. Also the same old phrases crop up again and again, and if you can spot these it can be a good way in to cracking the code.

It may help to make a little chart showing how the clerk writes each letter of the alphabet, upper case and lower case, from words that you are able to read, to help you decipher the problematic words. Here is in an example of such an alphabet from a somewhat earlier PCC will used in The National Archives' palaeography tutorial:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/doc2_popup/alphabet.htm

Good luck! If you get stuck, do shout.

mmm, that's Ancestry logic for you! Baffling.

 

Beore I try my hand at that will, I thought I'd better finish my transcript of the 1881, the second page of the Institution is in Enumeration District 27b (rather than 27a) I assume it is just bad luck when the enumerator ran out of space in his book as I can't imagine it would make sense to design it that way! -- though maybe it's not the same enumerator, the writing is worse, and the pen is definitely different

This census is horrible for my purposes, the enumerator has messed up the flats (4 to a house) into one household, he has not numbered the flats and or houses as they were actually numbered, nor has he followed an obvious route in a similar way to other census/electoral rolls --- where people are present in 1881 and 1891 I may be able to sort something out ... else I'm not really sure what I can do

Anyway here are my latest pleas for help



I have:
Emma THORP Lady age: 68 Stoke Newington, Middx
Emily McSHANE Head 69 Middx
Helen CONTENAU? Boarder 65 Middx
Shur[?] F de SABE " 25 france
Sarah MOLESWORTH 67 Brompton, Kent

It's the ones in bold I need help with, please

[edit: sorrry thought I had better add in the ages and places ]

 

Sorry, one more and I think I'm done until I have to start on the 1871 census (and that Will)



I have transcribed the middle name as Eliza SAVORY, ancestry transcription is Sewey, what does anyone think???

 

That I am very happy with

That I am not

Thanks Chimp